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Heating water in receipts. What do we pay utilities for: a new line has appeared in the utility bill - cold water PC. What is the norm of water per day per person and per month in housing and communal services

In accordance with Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of May 13, 2013 No. 406 “On state regulation of tariffs in the field of water supply and sanitation”, with a centralized hot water supply system in a closed system, a two-component tariff for hot water is set, consisting of “ cold water component "(rub. / m 3) and" component for thermal energy » (RUB/Gcal). A resource supplying organization supplying hot water makes settlements with a utility service provider (management company, HOA) for 2 resources: cold water– according to the tariff for the “cold water component”; thermal energy– according to the tariff for the "thermal energy component". The value of the component for cold water is calculated by the tariff regulator based on the tariff for cold water. The value of the component for thermal energy is determined by the tariff regulator in accordance with the guidelines based on the following components: ;· expenses for the maintenance of centralized hot water supply systems in the area from the central heating points (inclusive), where cooking is carried out hot water, up to the point on the boundary of the operational responsibility of the subscriber and the regulated organization, if such costs are not included in the heat tariff; the cost of heat energy losses in pipelines in the section from the facilities where hot water is prepared, including from central heating points, including the maintenance of central heating points, to a point on the border of the operational responsibility of the subscriber and the regulated organization, if such losses are not taken into account when setting tariffs for thermal energy; costs associated with the transportation of hot water. Utility service providers in accordance with the "Rules for the provision of utility services to owners and users of premises in apartment buildings and residential buildings", approved by the Decree of the Government of the Russian Federation of May 6, 2011 No. 354 (hereinafter referred to as the Rules), calculate the amount of payment for the utility service for hot water supply for the volume of hot water consumed in cubic meters. In accordance with the Rules, the amount of payment (P i) for the utility service for hot water supply, in a room equipped with an individual device study that hot water is determined by the formula: P i \u003d V i n * T to p (1), where: V i n is the volume (quantity) consumed during the billing period in i-th residential or non-residential premises of a communal resource, determined according to the readings of an individual meter; T to p - the tariff for the utility resource. Since the tariff for the utility resource "hot water" is set in the form of two components, the utility service provider with hot water consumers calculates for the components: cold water and thermal energy for the needs of hot water supply. The amount of thermal energy (Gcal / m 3) for the needs of hot water supply per 1 m 3, as a rule, the contractor of public services is determined on the basis of common house (collective) readings of hot water meters and thermal energy in hot water. It should be noted that the utility service provider makes settlements with the resource supplying organization based on the readings of the same house-wide (collective) meters for hot water and thermal energy in hot water. The amount of thermal energy consumed in hot water in the i-room (Gcal) is determined by multiplying the amount hot water according to an individual meter (m 3) by the specific consumption of thermal energy in hot water (Gcal / m 3). The volume of hot water determined by an individual meter (m 3) is multiplied by the tariff "component for cold water" (rub ./m 3) - this is the payment for cold water as part of hot water. water. In accordance with the information letter of the FTS of Russia dated November 18, 2014 No. СЗ-12713/5 “On the regulation of tariffs for hot water in a closed hot water supply system for 2015”, it is said that the executive authorities of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation in the region state regulation prices (tariffs) entitled to decide on the establishment of tariffs for hot water in a closed hot water supply system per 1 cu. m. At the same time, the calculation of the tariff for hot water (T hot water) per 1 m 3 is carried out according to the formula: T hot water \u003d T cold water * (1 + K pv) + US central heating + T t / e * Q t / e (2), where : T hvs - tariff for cold energy (rubles / cubic meters); T t / e - tariff for thermal energy (rubles / Gcal); K pv - coefficient taking into account water losses in closed systems heat supply from central heating points to the connection point; US tst - specific costs for the maintenance of hot water supply systems from central heating points to the boundaries of the balance sheet ownership of consumers (excluding losses) if such costs are not taken into account in tariffs for thermal energy (capacity), per 1 cu. m; Q t / e - the amount of heat required to cook one cubic meter hot water (Gcal / m3). At the same time, the amount of heat for the preparation of one cubic meter of hot water (Q t / e) is determined by calculation, taking into account the heat capacity, pressure, temperature, water density, heat loss in risers and heated towel rails .Thus, the accrual in the receipt for hot water depends on the form in which the regulatory body sets the tariff for hot water: for two components (cold water and thermal energy) or per cubic meter. In question charges for 2 components (cold water and heat energy) are given, but the municipality and tariffs for the components are not indicated. If we assume that the consumption of hot water was 10 m 3, then the tariff for the “cold water component” is 331 rubles. / 10 m 3 \u003d 33.10 rubles / m 3. If we assume that the tariff for the “thermal energy” component is 1800 rubles / Gcal, the amount of consumed thermal energy is: 1100 rubles. / 1800 rubles / Gcal \u003d 0.611 Gcal, respectively, for heating 1 m 3 of hot water, the consumption of thermal energy was 0.611 Gcal / 10 m 3 \u003d 0.0611 Gcal / m 3. Chief Economist of Yurenergo Group of Companies Isaeva T.V.

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Preparation of hot water using in-house engineering systems (ITP) of an apartment building (in the absence of centralized preparation of hot water in the MKD).
The amount of payment for hot water supply (DHW) is calculated based on the readings of house meters and the corresponding tariffs for cold water and consumed Gcal used for preparing hot water. At the same time, the costs of maintaining and repairing in-house engineering systems and electricity used for preparing hot water are included in the fee for maintaining and repairing a dwelling.


Individual heating point of our house (ITP)

Calculation for heating and cooked in apartment building hot water on the basis of RF Government Regulation No. 354 dated May 6, 2011

Rules for the provision of public services to owners and users of premises in apartment buildings and residential buildings, approved by a government decree Russian Federation dated May 6, 2011 No. 354, hereinafter referred to as the Rules. For the convenience of typing in a text editor, the formulas used are slightly modified and specified in comparison with their writing in the Rules, which does not change their meaning in any way.

For an unambiguous understanding: in accordance with paragraph 2 of the Rules, “non-residential premises in an apartment building” is a room in an apartment building that is not residential premises and common property of the owners of premises in an apartment building. For example, a shop, a sewing studio, an office space of an organization, etc. The calculation of fees for such premises, as a rule, is similar to the calculation for residential premises (apartments). In case of differences in the calculations, they will be discussed separately.

Calculation and distribution of fees in accordance with clause 50 of the Rules between consumers living in a room (rooms) of communal apartments of MKD is carried out according to formulas 7, 8, 16, 19 and 21 of Appendix No. 2 to the Rules and in this case will not be considered.

I carry out the description of the calculations using the example of my own apartment building (hereinafter - MKD), which is equipped with the following metering devices:

1) collective (common house) installed in the heating point of the MKD (hereinafter - ODPU):

A) to determine the total volume (quantity) of thermal energy used for the utility service "heating" and heating water for the utility service "hot water supply", the temperature of the coolant in the supply and return pipelines at the boundary of operational responsibility (hereinafter - ODPUte);

B) to determine the volume (quantity) of thermal energy used for the public service "hot water supply" (hereinafter - ODPUte-gv);

C) to determine the volume of water used for the public service "hot water supply" (hereinafter - ODPUgv);

2) individual, installed in each residential (apartment) and non-residential premises (hereinafter - IPU):

A) to determine the volume (quantity) of thermal energy used for the utility service "heating" (hereinafter - IPUte);

B) to determine the volume of hot water used for the public service "hot water supply" (hereinafter - IPUgv).

The thermal energy supplied from the city heating networks to the house is divided into two parts and, using the equipment of the heating point, is used:
for the preparation of a heat carrier circulating in the MKD heating system closed type;
for the preparation of hot water circulating in the open type MKD hot water supply system.

At the same time, the coolant itself, supplied from the city heating networks, is not taken away, but only the thermal energy contained in it is used.

In accordance with paragraph 40 of the Rules, the consumer of the utility service for heating and (or) hot water supply, produced and provided by the contractor to the consumer in the absence of centralized heat supply and (or) hot water supply, pays a total fee for such a utility service, calculated in accordance with paragraph 54 of the Rules . Namely, it should include both a payment for a utility service provided to a consumer in a residential or non-residential premises, and a payment for a utility service provided for general house needs.

Therefore, in this case, consumers should be billed in the payment document for utility services "heating" and "hot water supply" without division into individual consumption and consumption for general house needs.

In accordance with clause 54 of the Rules, consumers of each residential (apartment) and non-residential premises must pay the contractor for the utility resources used during the billing period, namely, the heat energy provided for the “heating” utility service, and the heat energy and cold water provided for utility service "hot water supply".

When determining the amount of payment by consumers of each residential (apartment) and non-residential premises for the utility service "heating", the volume of heat energy used only for heating is distributed among all residential and non-residential premises in an apartment building in proportion to the size of the total area owned (in use) by each consumer of a residential or non-residential premises in an apartment building in accordance with formula 18 of Appendix No. 2 to the Rules:

Ro-i \u003d Vte-o-d x (Si / Sd) x Tte

The amount of payment by consumers of each residential (apartment) or non-residential premises for the utility service "heating" (Po-i, rubles) is determined as the product of three components:

The volume (quantity) of thermal energy used during the billing period in the production of the utility service "heating" and defined as the difference between the measured amount of thermal energy ODPUte and ODPUte-gv (Vte-o-d, Gcal);

The ratio of the total area of ​​the i-th residential premises (apartments) or non-residential premises in the MKD (Si, sq.m) to the total area of ​​all residential premises (apartments) and non-residential premises in the MKD (Sd, sq.m);

Tariff for thermal energy, established in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation (Tte, rub./Gcal).

When determining the amount of consumer fees for each residential (apartment) or non-residential premises for the utility service “hot water supply”, the cost of cold water and the cost of thermal energy used to heat cold water in the production of utility services for hot water supply, distributed to each residential and non-residential premises in proportion to the volume of hot water consumed during the billing period in a particular residential or non-residential premises and is calculated according to formula 20 of Appendix No. 2 to the Rules:

Rgv-i \u003d Vgv-i x Txv + Vte-gv-d x (Vgv-i / Sum Vgv-i) x Tte

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Sum- mathematical sign "sum".

The amount of payment by consumers of each residential (apartment) or non-residential premises for the utility service "hot water supply" (Rgv-i, rubles) is determined as the sum of two components:

The product of the volume of hot water consumed by the consumer for each residential (apartment) or non-residential premises, determined for the billing period IPUgv (Vgv-i, cubic meters), and the tariff for cold water established in accordance with the legislation of the Russian Federation (Тхв, rub./cubic .m);

The product of the volume (quantity) of thermal energy used for heating cold water during the billing period, determined by ODPUte-gv (Vte-gv-d, Gcal), the ratio of the volume of hot water consumed by the consumer of each residential (apartment) or non-residential premises, determined for the billing period IPUgw (Vgw-i, cub.m) to the total volume of hot water consumed by consumers of all residential (apartments) and non-residential premises, determined for the billing period with the legislation of the Russian Federation (Tte, rub./Gcal).

Legal advice:

1. Our boiler heats the water. There is a gas boiler for heating. And in the receipt for gas (water heating). Is it legal?

1.1. Show your receipt. If this is extra. string, then it is illegal, and if it is one line, then everything is in order.

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2. Tell me, in the bills there was a column for heating cold water, is this legal ?! Thank you!

2.1. It all depends on how the water is heated and delivered to you.
does the house have its own boiler room or is water supplied to you centrally.

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3. Is there a certain tariff for the service of water heating and hot water supply.

4. (Is it legal to pay the count for heating water.

4.1. ---Hello, of course it's legal. If you are centrally served with heated water. Good luck and all the best, with respect lawyer Ligostaeva A.V. :sm_ax:

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5. What does water heating mean in the calculation sheet, if there is already a coolant column.

5.1. ☼ Hello, it is best for you to write a complaint to the housing inspectorate so that they check whether this payment is legal

I wish you good luck and all the best!

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6. In the receipt for payment of housing and communal services, an item appeared on the heating of hot water, is it legal.

6.1. --- Hello, have you ever sold hot water before? He always had to be present. Good luck and all the best, with respect lawyer Ligostaeva A.V. :sm_ax:

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6.2. Obviously, in your MKD, hot water is obtained by heat exchange. That is, with the heat coming from the CHP, COLD water is heated and already heated enters the apartments.
Accordingly, the price of 1 cu. m. GW consists of the price of 1 cu. m. HV + prices of thermal energy used to heat this very cold water.

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8. General house water heating in the summer, What is it.

8.1. New wording from July 1, 2017, general heating = this is hot water (now there is separate cold water and its heating to hot in some houses)

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9. Since 2020, a new payment for soybeans has been introduced - cold and hot water, hot water heating and drains for all this water. Can I request from the Criminal Code on the basis of what they have established the volume of expenses for these services.

9.1. Vladimir! Sure you can.

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10. Water from heating is supplied to the kindergarten. According to payments, they are carried out as a heat carrier with cold water supply. With heating. What needs to be done. This is a criminal offence. Technical water.

10.1. These issues are dealt with by sanitary and epidemiological supervision. You can apply to them.

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11. We have a water heater installed in our apartment building. And in the receipt billed for hot water and hot water heating. Is it legal?

11.1. No, you only pay the tariff for cold water.

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12. Apartment in the social. hire. There are 15 items in the payment order, namely: 1. Wastewater disposal.
2. Cold water content common property.
3. Electricity for the maintenance of common property
4 Drainage
5. Water supply
6. Water supply and sanitation
7. MSW management
8. Fuel cell for water heating
9. Heat supply
10. Video surveillance
11. Snow removal
12. Intercom
13 Hiring
14. Maintenance of common property
15. Tech. elevator service.
So which of these do I have to pay monthly? Thank you.

12.1. Very "cunning" compilers of this receipt. But now is not about that.
All payments related to the maintenance of common property (OI) of MKD are obligatory for you - these are HVS OI, EE OI, video surveillance, intercom and hiring, if your apartment is owned by the municipality, heat supply and water heating (DHW), waste management and , perhaps maintenance of the elevator, but there is no certainty due to the lack of information about the management of your home.
Here I also see a doubling of payments for water supply and sanitation, as well as separate payments for services that you pay to the management company, HOA, TSN, etc., because. I don't know how your house is managed.
You can also write a request to your UK, HOA, TSN for an explanation of each of the payments. If their answer does not suit you or they do not give you an answer, then I advise you to contact the Prosecutor's Office with a copy of the receipt, because there is a backlog, and even a building up of public services - water supply and sanitation.

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13. Is it legal for the energy sales company to require payment for heating and thermal energy for water heating in the receipt? With heating, everything is clear, everything is legal. Interested in the second part of the question, provided that the apartment in an apartment building with central heating, we have not lived in the apartment itself for 1.5 years and the meter readings do not change (cold and hot water).

13.1. If you are not using hot water and regularly submit readings with zeros, then there can be no heating.

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14. We have finished checking the hot water meter. We contacted the management company. And they said that we will do repairs. They counted us according to the average with an increased coefficient. After that, the CC changed. Completed all receipts on time. And now it turned out that the Criminal Code did not consider water heating to us. Want to bill for all this time. Is it legal.

14.1. What you wrote down is not a fact. You need to look at the documents and only then make a decision on your problem.
Contact an attorney or lawyer.

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15. In the payment receipt, cold and hot water are counted together, plus water heating, is it legal,

15.1. The tariff for cold and hot is different. Recalculate yourself.

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16. How is water heating from the heating system calculated in MKD with and without a meter?

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17. Previously, the receipt had a line of hot water for heating and the price for cold and hot water for heating was the same (25 r), since the boiler is in the basement, and now they write hot water and the price is 156 r, nothing has changed only the name. Is it legal?

17.1. Lyudmila. Of course not. You need to apply in writing to the Criminal Code for clarification of charging a fee for a service not provided.

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18. On September 12, 2018, the management company was issued an order to eliminate license violations. (insufficient water heating). The order has been fulfilled. On October 29, 2018, a letter was received to remove the order from control.
However, on November 20, 2018, the Magistrate's Court scheduled a hearing against the Management Company under Article 14.1.3 Part 2 of the Code of Administrative Offenses.
Shines a fairly large fine. How to build protection? What to refer to? Thank you.

18.1. ABOUT LICENSING
BUSINESS MANAGEMENT
APARTMENT BUILDINGS
59. The inspected person is obliged to fulfill the order within the period specified in it and submit a notice of execution of the order to the State Housing Supervision Authority.
60. Properly executed copies of documents confirming the fulfillment of the requirements specified in the order are attached to the notification.
61. If the inspected person fails to submit within the established time limits a notification of the execution of the order, an authorized person of the State Housing Supervision Authority:
1) notifies the person being inspected of the extension of the deadlines for eliminating violations (if there are valid reasons that did not allow the elimination of these violations within the established time limits) and sends a repeated order to the person being checked;
2) considers the issue of bringing the audited person to administrative responsibility in the prescribed manner.
62. If the inspected person does not eliminate the violation of license requirements within the prescribed period, the State Housing Supervision Authority is obliged to apply to the court

If there were good reasons, indicate them, preferably with documentary evidence. And indicate to the court that you have made every effort and means to eliminate the violation as quickly as possible.

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19. My husband is a contractor and we live in a service apartment. We have very high tariffs for heating water and heating. Not a single management company in the city has such tariffs, it is very difficult for tenants having a salary of 28 thousand rubles, of which 15 must be paid for utilities. Where can we go to get tariff reductions?

19.1. According to the Housing Code of the Russian Federation, the owners of residential premises decide on tariffs for services, write a report addressed to the owner, let them initiate the meeting.

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19.2. Absolutely nowhere. Tariffs for heating are approved by the subject of the Russian Federation. If you pay more than 22% of the total family income for a communal apartment, you are entitled to apply for a subsidy.

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20. Does the homeowners association have the right to charge for heating water if cold water has flowed from the hot tap for the whole month. The water was not heated, the boiler room did not work.

20.1. The HOA does not have the right to charge for heating if there was no heating in fact.
"Civil Code of the Russian Federation (Part Two)" dated 01/26/1996 N 14-FZ, Chapter 39. Paid services.

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21. Three years ago we bought an apartment in a new building. Due to the current difficult life situation, I did not pay for heating. Now I pay through bailiffs. I learned that we have to pay every month for heating water according to the meter, which I had not done before. Because I didn’t pay for three years, they counted about 1800 for each month. If you add up for three years, there will be a large amount that I now pay. Tell me if I now start paying by the counters, the amount will be recalculated or only through the court.

21.1. You need to write an application to the Criminal Code indicating the latest meter readings and if up to this point you were required to recalculate according to the standard, but only the period that was not included in the court order.

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22. The receipt for water heating showed the amount of 980 rubles, while there was no consumption of hot water and cold water, because in the summer we live in the country. Is it legal?

22.1. If you have individual metering devices, then the charge for heating is calculated based on the readings of the water meter. Since you were absent from the apartment and there was no water consumption, then, therefore, all this should have been displayed on the meter.

Introduction:

The topic of calculating utility bills is one of the most difficult. For those who have not encountered the problem before, it is difficult to figure it out right away, and there seems to be no time for this.

However, let's try.

For calculations, RF GD No. 354 (procedure and methods for all occasions), RF GD No. 307 (only for heating and only until July 1, 2016, then RF GD No. 354 is valid), RF GD No. 306 (standards).

The text of the documents is complex, practically inaccessible to the mass payer. There is no clear system in the notation of physical quantities, which can confuse the reader, there are no names of physical quantities used in the calculation formulas and explanations. As if they were writing for themselves. Type we know ourselves, but the rest of us do not need to know.

And one more initial remark. Gentlemen from the Criminal Code and from the Developer often show great joy regarding the "energy efficiency" of new buildings, in particular in our area.

The essence of energy efficiency is a strict consideration of all communal resources and measures to save them. Let's see in the course of the discussion how justified such "joy".

Since our DHW system is closed, that is, non-centralized, the corresponding section of the RF PP No. 354 (Appendix 2, Section IV) is used for calculations, when the production of a utility service, in this case, DHW, is carried out by the contractor (MC) on our ITP equipment from composition of the common property.

Regarding this very concept of "production" of hot water supply by the contractor, we will not go into details for now. This is a separate rather "muddy" and controversial topic, who actually produces what and how.

We only note that according to RF PP No. 354, clause 54 of the Rules, it is clearly defined that the fee for the maintenance of common property (ITP equipment, where the service provider heats water for hot water supply) is charged separately. That is, "production" - operating costs for this common property are included in the payment for the maintenance and repair of common property and are not included in the calculation of payment for hot water supply.

So, what should be taken into account when calculating the DHW fee?

Total consumption of cold drinking water(via the cold water line) supplied for heating for hot water supply.

The total consumption of thermal energy taken in boilers from the heat carrier from the centralized supply of thermal energy (heating).

Everything seemed simple. I divided the total heat consumption (heating) by the total volume of cold water that was used for hot water supply and the order. Received the specific heat consumption per cubic meter of hot water.

However, in our receipts there is no accounting for the total volume of cold water and hot water separately.

And the data of individual consumption for hot water and cold water cannot be used due to the systematic measurement error of apartment meters. Therefore, the concept of ODN was introduced to eliminate this systematic error and to accurately calculate the total water consumption for the entire house by a common house meter.

In this sense, RF PP No. 354 is not quite correct and the campaign has long been outdated in places, when it is proposed to use the total readings of the IPU as the basis for the calculations, if there is no common house meter, but at the same time, the authors of the regulatory text completely forgot about the systematic error of the apartment IPU (dead zone IPU at low water flow rates).

According to the law "On Energy Saving ...", the first thing to be done is to install common house metering devices, and where there is no technical possibility due to the design of the house, technical possibility should be created by reconstructing (attaching) the premises for the installation of metering units for communal resources.

The general house accounting of communal resources is not beneficial for public utilities, and therefore the process is sabotaged. In "muddy water" cheating is easier.

Also, we don’t have a separate accounting for the consumption of thermal energy in the ITP, which is spent on heating hot water. At least this is not evident from the content of the information given in the receipt.

But what about the super duper energy efficient ITP? Isn't that too easy for a super duper energy efficient "space tech" ITP?

Have you installed one common cold water meter and one common heat energy meter for the entire unit and are happy like elephants?

And according to the Law, each individual house must be equipped with metering devices.

How does it differ then our ITP from the usual heating unit of the old Soviet house?

Why do we get "over the ears" every year about energy efficiency?

I'm looking for some crook - a "money pump" under an energy service contract "authoritatively" to say that we need to install metering devices to improve energy efficiency.

It is already clear to us that a comprehensive accounting of communal resources is needed.

Who prevented the installation of a two-channel heat energy meter? Was it difficult to plug in a meter to account for the consumption of make-up water for the DHW system?

And if they do exist, then why are their readings not used in calculations and not indicated in receipts?

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